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ChocoFiles
@ChocoFiles
12/10/09 16:00:22
251 posts

Fondeurs


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Andrea Stainer .An Italian company. Here's a list of their products.Are they a fondeur? I suspect so because I can't find any information about the chocolate itself. They have beautiful packaging and a very wide range of products.
ChocoFiles
@ChocoFiles
12/10/09 09:01:48
251 posts

Fondeurs


Posted in: Tasting Notes

As I review chocolate bars I make note of whether a company is a "bean to bar" company or a "fondeur". I'd like to use this thread to ask whether certain companies are fondeurs or b2b. I want to be clear the I use the term "fondeur" as purely a descriptive term that Clay suggested to differentiated these companies from bean to bar makers. I don't intend this term to have any derogatory connotations; it is meant to be descriptive not qualitative.It would help if we do a little homework first, though. First, check the TCL "Chocolate Maker" database to see if the company is bean to bar. There are a few fondeurs listed there too. Second, check any websites for information about the company in question.I've attached my list of Bean to bar makers and Fondeurs as it has more listed than the database at TCL.
updated by @ChocoFiles: 05/21/15 18:20:02
Mark Heim
@Mark Heim
12/10/09 16:24:58
101 posts

Has anyone used an air compressor from Chef Rubber?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Talk to them first, I've found them helpful. Depending on what you will spray (water based colors, colored cocoa butter, chocolate) you will have increasing demands on the pressure needed and the type of airbrush that will work.
Young Yang
@Young Yang
12/10/09 08:59:01
3 posts

Has anyone used an air compressor from Chef Rubber?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hello, everyone.I'm considering to purchase an air compressor for air brush. I have experiences but this is the first time to set up everything with my own equipments (very excited). I've been thinking about usual oil-free compressors (ones you can get from Home Depot), but a little bit concerned about noise. During my research, I found an compressor at Chef Rubber website (1/8 hp, 40 PSI max) and it says it's pretty quiet (and it seems much smaller than usual compressors). Has anyone have any experience of this compressor or any other small "bakery" or "cocoa-butter" designed compressor? How are their performances? Thank you.
updated by @Young Yang: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Wendy Buckner
@Wendy Buckner
02/05/10 20:20:29
35 posts

Local Regulations for opening a Chocolate Shop. Kitchen- Yes or No?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hello there! I am not sure of the codes and regulations in your state but I have dealt with this before. It is a kitchen...but it's a manufacturing kitchen. Chocolate shops are looked at differently than typical restaurant kitchens. We are not inspected by the Department of Health, but we are inspected by the Department of Agriculture. I got the best information when I was trying to figure all of this out when I called the Department of Agriculture and spoke to them directly. We did have to seal the walls with high gloss paint and seal the concrete floor. We did have to purchase and install a grease trap, 3 compartment sink, hand sinks (in the kitchen and the retail shop), mop sink, and install a K Fire Extinguisher...which is for grease fires...but the Fire Marshall made us get it even though we don't cook with any grease! I had a difficult time with this as well...but atleast you have had SO many great responses from other Chocolatiers! Wish I had been a part of this when we were opening our shop!
Andy Ciordia
@Andy Ciordia
02/05/10 10:37:26
157 posts

Local Regulations for opening a Chocolate Shop. Kitchen- Yes or No?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Isn't that crazy? With all that you'd think theres some affiliate racket for them to put these in places. The grease trap manufacturers are recession proof. ;)
Pierre (Pete) Trinque
@Pierre (Pete) Trinque
02/04/10 07:01:52
19 posts

Local Regulations for opening a Chocolate Shop. Kitchen- Yes or No?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Elana,Thanks for the info. That is key.Another twist came up yesterday. Depending on the landlords, they have their own contractors to do the work, so you can not get competative bids. Then the contractor will only use parts and equipment (sinks, grease traps, etc.) that they buy and they must be new for warranty purposes. Nice profit margins for them.Not all landlords are like that, but it's something you should ask up front.Pierre
Pierre (Pete) Trinque
@Pierre (Pete) Trinque
02/03/10 07:43:40
19 posts

Local Regulations for opening a Chocolate Shop. Kitchen- Yes or No?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Brad,WOW. Thanks a lot for all the info. We have started the process that you described and it is a lot of work, but it's also an education that we will use in the future.I know what you are talking about with the sales and real estate people. One offered the services of their kitchen design architect. They will do the kitchen layout for $2,800.00 but will not guarantee that it will pass code.This town has a bad rep when it comes to Business Development, but what I hear from others, we are no different that most locals.Thanks again for your info and more importantantly you insight that we can make it happen if we work through the pricess and paperwork. I will keep you informed.Pierre
Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
02/02/10 12:10:12
527 posts

Local Regulations for opening a Chocolate Shop. Kitchen- Yes or No?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Pierre;One thing you want to keep in mind is that nobody will tell you what the various regulatory agencies will require in order for you to get your property past initial inspection. Your real estate salesperson is in business to sell/rent the space, and that's it. Your equipment salesperson is in business to sell you equipment. What you do with the space and equipment afterward is none of their concern, and none of their business.Understanding that up front will save you tremendous grief, and frustration in the planning process of your new business.In 2008 I opened my first food related business (Choklat), having had no professional culinary training, and absolutely no experience in designing commercial kitchens. Yet in spite of my lack of experience, I passed ALL regulatory inspections with the regional health authority, the city planning department, AND our federal food inspection agency on the first round.Here's how I did it:I first took a food safety certification course (required here in Canada for anyone who wishes to run a commercial kitchen)I then went to each agency and asked for ALL regulations pertaining to commercial kitchens and food related businesses, then sat up late, over a couple of evenings with a lot of caffiene, and read each document from cover to cover, making notes with a pen and a piece of paper, as I was reading.THEN, after making the notes, I began designing the kitchen, right down to the type of washable paint, the washable ceiling tiles.... EVERYTHING.Once the drawing of the space (including space allocation and labelling for equipment) was complete, and footnotes were included, I returned to the City Planning department and obtained a building permit based on the "blueprint". I was in and out in 30 minutes.Since that time, Choklat has run 100% trouble free. In fact we have been commended by many inspectors of how well the business is run and how clean our premises are.Having spent a career building businesses, and designing workflow software for large companies, the best piece of advice I can give you is the following:THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS.Do lots of up front planning, and pay attention to even the smallest detail. If you do this, you will save a tremendous amount of grief, money, and time wasted when a cranky inspector refuses your permit because of an "oversight" and forces you to repaint your entire shop with a washable paint.DON'T TAKE SHORTCUTS WHEN DESIGNING YOUR KITCHEN. You are dealing with salaried, overworked beaurocrats who don't give a pinch of poop that you used a different tile than you should have because it saved you $8 per tile. If you get the wrong inspector (and lord knows there's lots out there!) you'll have your permit held until the tiles are replaced. Follow the regulations to a "T" and you won't end up owning two sets of ceiling tiles, or having to repaint your shop.Cheers, and the best of luck in your new venture!Brad ChurchillChoklat.
Pierre (Pete) Trinque
@Pierre (Pete) Trinque
02/02/10 10:52:41
19 posts

Local Regulations for opening a Chocolate Shop. Kitchen- Yes or No?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Thanks for the info. We have started the process and YES we will need a grease trap. Amazing how when you talk with the property broker they tell you what you want to hear. Fortunately, having had much help from people like yourselves, we kept asking the questions and not signing documents until we were sure we knew what we were looking at. We have adjusted our property search more towards restaurants and have found a number of potential sites. When We get frustrated I keep telling myself "It will all be alright once we start making chocolate."Pierre
Pierre (Pete) Trinque
@Pierre (Pete) Trinque
12/11/09 05:51:41
19 posts

Local Regulations for opening a Chocolate Shop. Kitchen- Yes or No?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I met with an architect that works with the county here in Arizona and he agrees that it will be considered a kitchen. However, he believes that we may be able to stay away from the grease trap and special wall covering and ceiling tiles required for a restaurant. He also believes that I should emphasis selling retail out the front of the shop rather than telling them I will primarily be doing wholesale.Challenges are what makes life fun.
Andy Ciordia
@Andy Ciordia
12/10/09 15:17:13
157 posts

Local Regulations for opening a Chocolate Shop. Kitchen- Yes or No?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

God I love the grease trap argument. If all you deal with is cream they still want you have a grease trap. At least that's here in NC.
Young Yang
@Young Yang
12/10/09 09:11:37
3 posts

Local Regulations for opening a Chocolate Shop. Kitchen- Yes or No?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hi, Pete,I've been going through almost the exact same process with you. I don't know where you are planning to open your shop but, here in Texas, it is classified as a commercial kitchen - which requires to meet several health department rules (e.g. a grease trap). As Clay mentioned, a kind of stove decides the ventilation. With an induction stove, the ventilation is not required (in my county). Gook luck with your new business.
Pierre (Pete) Trinque
@Pierre (Pete) Trinque
12/09/09 08:53:24
19 posts

Local Regulations for opening a Chocolate Shop. Kitchen- Yes or No?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Thanks Andy.We have already planned on the induction burner option.We have had some informal talks with the health dept. but they seem unclear on where we would be, so asked us to justify our position. There are no other facilities in the area to use as a model.Pete
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
12/09/09 08:52:37
1,696 posts

Local Regulations for opening a Chocolate Shop. Kitchen- Yes or No?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

In New York, anyway, the answer is yes (YMMV) - you are setting up a kitchen because you are preparing food products for retail sale and consumption.This is especially important (in NY, anyway) when you wholesale to someone who resells at retail. There are different rules (county-by-county) for when you make products to sell/donate directly - only - in part to accommodate making baked goods for charity bake sales.The regulations requiring stove top vs induction have more to do with ventilation and fire suppression. If you don't have an open flame (again, this is in NY), you don't have to have fire suppression and ventilation. Also, most induction burners are portable so when they're not in use they can (and should) be put away, out of sight of inspectors.
Andy Ciordia
@Andy Ciordia
12/09/09 07:25:45
157 posts

Local Regulations for opening a Chocolate Shop. Kitchen- Yes or No?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

This is going to change state to state, county to county. Being classified as a kitchen usually takes ovens and gas stoves. I think Clay has said (and of course correct me if I'm wrong) you can get around the stove top by going induction.You're going to want to talk with your areas health department to find out what defines it all.
Pierre (Pete) Trinque
@Pierre (Pete) Trinque
12/09/09 07:04:10
19 posts

Local Regulations for opening a Chocolate Shop. Kitchen- Yes or No?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

My wife and I are looking at leasing real estate to open our chocolate shop. The question is this: Are we bringing in a "kitchen." We will be producing our products onsight with bulk chocolate. Our equipment will include tempering machines, enrober, reach-in fridge and freezers, microwave, 3 sink cleaning station, work tables, etc. We are looking at an approx. 1000 sq ft space with 150 sq ft of showroom and the remainder for production. If this is classified as a kitchen then the regulations will be that of a restaurant and more costly.I would like to hear if anyone has gone through this process and your thoughts. We understand that each city has different regs but general info might help as we get set to meet with the officals.
updated by @Pierre (Pete) Trinque: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
12/09/09 06:28:04
1,696 posts

Choco Doco for Aussies


Posted in: News & New Products Press

For those who don't know, "Willy" is William Harcourt-Couze, one of the most highly regarded chocolatiers in the UK.
Tom
@Tom
12/08/09 19:29:27
205 posts

Choco Doco for Aussies


Posted in: News & New Products Press

For all the Aussie folk there is a chocolate documentary on ABC 2 tonight (Wed. 9th Dec.) 8:30 pm, I think it is the first in a four part series following Willie (UK) from his plantation in Venezuela to his choc factory in the UK. I think it is called something like Willies Wonky Chocolate Factory.
updated by @Tom: 03/11/26 06:20:34
Casey
@Casey
12/15/09 12:27:47
54 posts

Valrhona Chuao 2002


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Although we have already chatted via email about this privately (Olorin,) thought I would share this for those following along on here. Just published something about vintage chocolates.
Matt Caputo
@Matt Caputo
12/14/09 23:00:00
53 posts

Valrhona Chuao 2002


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Olorin,I can answer at least part of your question. The Valrhona 2002 is indeed from that year's harvest. It was one of the last years it was available to them. Before Amedei gained control of all of it, which they no longer have. I stock piled many many cases of this bar in my store and sold it at a premium until it ran out earlier this year.I stored it very carefully so there was no issue with bloom and it was fantastic. WHERE DID YOU GET IT!?! I would kill for some more. Not because it is my favorite necessarily, but for novelty's sake I need it for my own collection. I forgot to pull some off my shelves for myself before it ran out. I know Chocosphere had some, but I have begged Jerry for more and he assured me it was gone.Thanks,Matt
Duffy Sheardown
@Duffy Sheardown
12/08/09 00:56:39
55 posts

Valrhona Chuao 2002


Posted in: Tasting Notes

In the UK I've been told (by the Trading Standards people) that I have to have a "Best before" date on the chocolate I'm making. I asked how it was best determined and they suggested I copy what other chocolate makers do! They agreed that this isn't particularly rational but doubted that an exception could be made.Duffy
ChocoFiles
@ChocoFiles
12/06/09 06:14:13
251 posts

Valrhona Chuao 2002


Posted in: Tasting Notes

I'm currently tasting and reviewing a Valrhona Chuao 2002 bar, but I've got several questions.1) Why is it named "2002"? Is this for the year the beans were harvested? Is this really true or is it a marketing ploy?2) The package says "Made by 01-2004" which seems to indicate that the bar was made by January 2004. Was it? If so, how is it still good almost 6 years later? and if this bar can age so well, why do most bars have a "Good before" date on them?3) I know that Valrhona made the first Chuao bar, but then Amedei acquired the exclusive rights to the beans. I'm just wondering where Valrhona got their beans for this bar (and even when). I suppose from the same source that Bonnat uses for their Chuao. Hans-Peter Rot delves into this mystery in a blog article at Cocoa Content . (I think the article is at The Nibble too.) Casey also touches on it with an article on Chuao in her blog The Chocolate Note . Does anyone have any more information on how Valrhona got these magic Chuao beans?And here's my personal rating of my enjoyment of these 3 Chuao bars:Amedei 10. This is still my #1 favorite of over 360 bars that I've reviewed. Sublime.Bonnat 7. It didn't even taste like the same beans.Valrhona 6. At 65% the flavor profile is seriously dampened. This is still my favorite Valrhona bar, but I'm not a very big Valrhona fan.
updated by @ChocoFiles: 04/11/15 16:20:33
Gary Shieh
@Gary Shieh
12/14/09 14:36:02
7 posts

chocolate factory


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Many Thanks.
katerine rollet
@katerine rollet
12/13/09 15:33:40
2 posts

chocolate factory


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

I really like the chai and salty caramel flavours. The chuao is really good but theyre $3.75 each. You could also try Les chocolats de Chlo (really funny website: http://www.leschocolatsdechloe.com/ ) and try the chili/cayenne hot chocolate at Suite 88 ( http://www.suite88.com/en/ ). Enjoy Montreal!
Gary Shieh
@Gary Shieh
12/10/09 12:34:48
7 posts

chocolate factory


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Hi,I will be in Montreal next week. Can you suggest what to get in her store? Are the chuao line worth the money? Any other near by choco places to visit? Thanks a lot.
katerine rollet
@katerine rollet
12/01/09 22:04:40
2 posts

chocolate factory


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Im a big choco-o-lic and I made my dream comes true by visiting a chocolate factory. Have a look at Genevieve Granbois chocolates one of the best chocolate maker in Montral http://www.tourisme-montreal.org/Blogs/Epicurean-Life/Genevieve-Granbois-and-the-Chocolate-Factory
updated by @katerine rollet: 04/11/15 06:12:02
leon leou
@leon leou
12/01/09 13:36:30
1 posts

Sugar FREE Chocolate Recipes?


Posted in: Recipes

Hi i need some sugar free chocolate recipes, as i only eat sugar free chocolate.sugarfreefood.biz
updated by @leon leou: 04/13/15 10:09:42
Matt Caputo
@Matt Caputo
12/28/09 09:36:55
53 posts

Does anyone know of a bulk choc. as good as Valrhona in the same general $ range?


Posted in: Opinion

Bud,Thanks for the suggestion. I assumed their food service stuff was considerably more expensive. I will check it out.Also, I am a direct importer of Amedei and can supply you if you can't find anybody else. Among numerous other retail accounts, I supply Chocolatier Blue who uses nothing but Amedei. He uses roughly two hundred kilos per month so I get Amedei's best distributor pricing.Best,Matt
updated by @Matt Caputo: 09/09/15 23:16:09
Bud Stockwell
@Bud Stockwell
12/27/09 19:41:32
18 posts

Does anyone know of a bulk choc. as good as Valrhona in the same general $ range?


Posted in: Opinion

Michel Cluizel (noble ingredients) has some nice chocolate and they are in that same price range. It's a drag that Amedei shut down their New York office as I use some of theirs for a couple truffles.
Matt Caputo
@Matt Caputo
12/14/09 23:41:48
53 posts

Does anyone know of a bulk choc. as good as Valrhona in the same general $ range?


Posted in: Opinion

Mr. Can,I would love some samples. However, please be aware that I am known for brutal honesty. Once I get the samples and a price list you will hear from me if I like them. Otherwise, only ask me for my opinion if you really want it. You can contact me at caputo (dot) matt (at) g mailThanks,Matt
Muhittin Can
@Muhittin Can
12/10/09 06:25:39
2 posts

Does anyone know of a bulk choc. as good as Valrhona in the same general $ range?


Posted in: Opinion

Dear Matt,As OYAL Import & Export, I work as the export department of one of Turkey's top quality chocolate manufacturers, Efes Chocolate.Please visit their website www.efescikolata.com.tr to have a look at their products (you may need to translate it through google to understand).They offer a selection of compound and real chocolates consisting of tablets, madeleines, dragees, coated dragees, bars, couvertures, ganaches, chocolate chips, pralines, cocoa powders, ice-cream dipping sauce, fillings and more...I can also send you samples for you to compare the taste with Valrhona.- Muhittin Can
Sarah Hart
@Sarah Hart
12/08/09 09:13:48
63 posts

Does anyone know of a bulk choc. as good as Valrhona in the same general $ range?


Posted in: Opinion

Hi. Yes. I have a little confectionery and shop in Portland, Oregon. We use the Bolivian primarily for our Chloe ganache and for our chocolate drinks. It is well rounded but still interesting and very "chocolatey" all over your mouth which makes for a nice hot chocolate. The dominican we use for a S.O.truffle. Both are easy to work with and fairly "consistant". I love Valrhona, too. I gotta say. Pleasure to work with and I like their Grand Crus.
Matt Caputo
@Matt Caputo
12/05/09 22:59:52
53 posts

Does anyone know of a bulk choc. as good as Valrhona in the same general $ range?


Posted in: Opinion

Thanks Sarah. What have you used it for? Are you in the industry?
Sarah Hart
@Sarah Hart
12/05/09 19:39:57
63 posts

Does anyone know of a bulk choc. as good as Valrhona in the same general $ range?


Posted in: Opinion

Just wanted to second the recomendation for Felchlin. I really like the Bolivian 68% (Cru sauvage) for a well-rounded "chocolatey" flavor. Also like the Hacienda el vesia (Dominican 74).
Matt Caputo
@Matt Caputo
12/05/09 09:30:21
53 posts

Does anyone know of a bulk choc. as good as Valrhona in the same general $ range?


Posted in: Opinion

We are banging on all cylinders here. I will find the time after the New Year. Happy fourth quarter!
Sacred Steve
@Sacred Steve
12/04/09 23:15:55
116 posts

Does anyone know of a bulk choc. as good as Valrhona in the same general $ range?


Posted in: Opinion

Hi Matt,We are looking for more retailers. We are launching a brand new website in about 30 days which should support our retailers better. Our sales manager is Mike Zwiebach. He can be reached at 415-456-3311 x 118 during normal business hours in California. He would be happy to discuss with you the possibilities of supporting your customers with something unique, exciting, and unusual. He is happy to send out some free samples.Steve
Matt Caputo
@Matt Caputo
12/04/09 22:20:04
53 posts

Does anyone know of a bulk choc. as good as Valrhona in the same general $ range?


Posted in: Opinion

Steve,Trying to sell these pastry chefs on raw product would be like trying to push move a mountain with my bare hands. So much of how they and their customers perceive the flavors of cacao has to do with the heavy roast. This is not a challenge I am up for right now.However, I checked out your website and was intrigued by many of your products, are you looking for retailers? We are more gourmet than natural, but I am always looking for new ways for my customers to experience the flavors of cacao.Thanks again,Matt
Sacred Steve
@Sacred Steve
12/04/09 22:12:54
116 posts

Does anyone know of a bulk choc. as good as Valrhona in the same general $ range?


Posted in: Opinion

We can do a raw couverture too at a slightly higher price. All depends on volume.
Sacred Steve
@Sacred Steve
12/04/09 22:11:07
116 posts

Does anyone know of a bulk choc. as good as Valrhona in the same general $ range?


Posted in: Opinion

Possibly. Depends on volume commitment.
Matt Caputo
@Matt Caputo
12/04/09 22:08:51
53 posts

Does anyone know of a bulk choc. as good as Valrhona in the same general $ range?


Posted in: Opinion

Clay,Too kind of you. Please do put me in touch with Mr. Bauman. I would love to try his products and we are already a sub-distributor for Atalanta. We ship their stuff out of New Jersey so hopefully they can combine our orders. Please let me know how I can get in touch with him, the Intermountain West is DYING for decent product at a reasonable price. Because of the way Valrhona is distributed here even large users of Valrhona such as Jean Georges restaurant are paying over $11/lb. They are aware of the much lower prices in other markets and are all telling me how fed up they are and willing to try something else.While Valrhona lets us distribute its retail product, they will not allow us to do so with food service. I am friends with their retail National Sales Manager, Heidi Tancredi and I have told her how much business they are losing, that I would love to solve that problem for them, etc., etc. However, they are worried about upsetting European Imports and/or Paris Gourmet, even though they can't get product here for less than $11/lb.Anyway, any help would be greatly appreciated.Best,Matt
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